And you were worried about the Beaver-turd scenario? Please, trust me. I do this for a living am a random bloke who was picked from obscurity to give opinions as fact. I'm moving Minnesota up a spot on the Big Ten pecking order. The articles that I've been reading indicate that Wisconsin is lobbying hard NOT to go to a Florida bowl for the 5th straight year. It's possible that LSU could go Outback instead of the Cocks, but I'm betting that it's South Carolina.
National Championship: Florida v. Oklahoma
Rose: Penn State v. USC
Fiesta: Texas v. Ohio State
Sugar: Alabama v. Utah
Orange: Virginia Tech v. Cincinnati
Capital One: Michigan State v. Georgia
Outback: Iowa v. South Carolina
Alamo: Northwestern v. Missouri
Champs: Minnesota v. Miami
Insight: Wisconsin v. Kansas
Motor City: NC State (no Big Ten team available) v. Ball State
On the Couch with the Queso Bowl: Illinois, Michigan, Indiana, Purdue
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We don’t have to watch a crappy big ten team lose to another MAC school this bowl season.
Also, count me in as someone who wants to see Iowa picked for the Cap1 ahead of MSU.
Kevin @ Black Shoe Diaries
by Kevin HD on Dec 1, 2008 9:09 AM CST 0 recs
I don't see it
And it goes to the MO of the specific bowls. The Capital One has always been focussed on getting ratings for ABC, and thus has worked to get the best possible teams. With MSU being the clear 3rd Place team of the Big Ten and Georgia being the clear 3rd Place team of the SEC, that’s where they’ll go.
The Outback has always focussed on butts in the seats. That’s why they’ll take Iowa over Northwestern. That’s also why they may have given a lot of thought to Iowa over MSU if the Beaver-turd scenario had occurred.
And yes, it is nice that the Big Ten has limited its MAC-failings to the regular season this year…
by Bama Hawkeye on
Dec 1, 2008 9:23 AM CST
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I'm sorry...
…but Iowa will never jump Northwestern for the Outback Bowl.
- I hate to beat a flogged, bleeding, and dead horse here, but: NU 9-3, Iowa 8-4. NU 22- Iowa 17, in Iowa City, on Homecoming. Check your history: a team with a BETTER overall record (NU) who also beat head-to-head the team below it (NU 22-Iowa 17), has NEVER been jumped in Big Ten Bowl selection. If Iowa and NU had the same record, there is small precedent for Iowa jumping NU….but Iowa is one game back. And don’t count out the influence of Jim Delaney and the Big Ten in “cajoling” bowls to pick according to overall finish/record — the Big Ten is about settling it on the field, and they want their bowls to select on that basis as well. Advantage: NU.
- NU is ranked in the AP, Coaches, and BCS. Iowa is not. Advantage: NU.
- Iowa was just in the Outback Bowl in 2005; Northwestern has never been. Outback has a large local fan base that goes regardless of the teams, so the bowl will want to offer something new to its fans. Advantage: NU.
- Bowls like the Outback Bowl are heavily sponsored/supported by local tourism boards. Putting NU in the Outback Bowl means that the Tampa/St. Pete tourism board will get daily coverage in Chicago newspapers, radio, and TV (including national stations like WGN) of every local event the Cats participate in, beaming pictures of gorgeous Tampa Bay to the more than 3 millions or so Chicagoland TV viewers. These views will happen regardless of whether the viewers are Cats fans — they’ll be watching the news/sports highlights and get a daily story on the Cats in Tampa. That is a TON of free advertising. Throw in mentions by NU’s well-known media mafia (like Wilbon on PTI, Christine Brennan in USA Today, Musberger on ABC, Stephen Colbert, etc.) and the Des Moines/Cedar Rapids/Iowa City market just cannot compete. HUGE Advantage: NU.
- I’m calling shenanigans on the idea that Iowa will bring SO many more fans than NU. First off, the Outback Bowl, as noted above, has a LOT of local ticket holders who go every year, regardless of the teams. Second, the likely SEC teams (LSU, South Carolina) have big fan bases. These two factors suggest a sell-out will be likely WITHOUT taking into account the Big Ten team involved.
However, NU has ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS sold VERY well at EVERY bowl game it’s been invited to. We filled the Rose Bowl in 1996 (est. 40k, at least), brought over 21,000 down to the Citrus Bowl in 1997, drew at least 12k by ourselves (probably more) to the Alamo Bowl in 2000 (our game against Nebraska drew 10k better than WISCONSIN’s game two years later vs. Colorado, and 4k better than MSU’s game v. Nebraska in 2003), and sent 15k to El Paso (EL PASO!) for the Sun Bowl in 2005, the last time we played in a bowl. NU also has a SIZEABLE national alumni base — we have thousands of alums already in Florida, with lots of money, ready to go to a game nearby.
Yes, Iowa will sell a lot of seats — no question, they have great fans. But the difference will hardly be significant. And given the fact that NU has not been to a bowl since 2005, it has a fan base that is VERY anxious to travel — students who have never seen an NU bowl game (and we regularly got 5-6k out of 7500 undergrads to EVERY home game), alumni who have been waiting to go again, etc. I think this is at worst a slight Iowa advantage, but realistically a DRAW.
- It’s a better story — while Iowa is an excellent institution, NU is seen rightfully as a model of “student-athletes” and did not have any of the well-publicized off-field problems Iowa did (I’m not saying that has anything to do with guys on Iowa’s team right now, but the negative publicity cannot be overlooked). Fitz, the youngest coach in the FBS (Division I-A), is a college Hall of Famer, an alumni of Northwestern, and a PHENOMENAL story. This team and its seniors (and many juniors) have overcome the death of Randy Walker, and Fitz has pulled them together to a point where they finished with 9 wins — one more win, and they match a mark only reached by 2 other NU teams ALL-TIME. Iowa has some nice stories too (Shonn Greene comes to mind first and foremost), but the overall Cinderella factor strongly favors NU in terms of attracting casual TV viewers. Advantage: NU.
by Chadnudj on Dec 1, 2008 10:47 AM CST 0 recs
Let it go
I hear what you’re saying, but Iowa has jumped up a spot in the pecking order every year they’ve been given the chance (not looking up the facts here, but I believe I’m right). Tampa loves Hawkeye fans, dating back to 2004 (maybe ‘05), when the “Iowa bar” was sold out of every beer but Mich Ultra by 10:30. You can quote all those stats that you want, but bowls love Iowa. Bowls don’t love Northwestern. Period.
by imadirtyoldman on
Dec 1, 2008 11:36 AM CST
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You're wrong...
…on a couple counts.
Look, I agree Iowa fans are great and support their team, and that bowls love them, but bowls love Northwestern too. Talk to the Rose Bowl in 95-96, when NU sold itself over 40k in tickets, but actually had more fans than that (the game was at least 2/3 NU fans, and this was AGAINST USC). Or the Sun Bowl in El Paso (a tough place to travel to), where NU sold out its allotment of 15k tickets (again, bringing more fans than that, though), and the organizers said that having NU was an excellent experience. The fact is, if NU gets into a bowl, it shows up, spends money, and the bowl organizers end up reaping great rewards. Bowls love Northwestern (and Iowa, for that matter) because they bring fans who spend money.
Second, while Iowa has jumped up a spot in the pecking order, it has ONLY jumped ahead of teams that it had the SAME record as. Thus, it jumped ahead of a Michigan team that beat Iowa, but had the SAME overall record as Iowa.
No Big Ten team that I can recall or research — including Iowa — has EVER jumped over a team with a better overall record that BEAT it head-to-head during the season. None. I’m fairly certain on this (but willing to be proven wrong), but history says the Cats are the Outback Bowl pick.
Hey, selling out beer at one bar is great, but remember that the bowl is also a sales pitch for the local area’s tourism board. Ask yourself: would you rather have daily news/sports updates showing your bowl events with a team that is based in Chicago and gets extensive coverage by all of the Chicago media? Or a team who’s largest local market is Des Moines? (Yes, Iowa has a big fan base in Chicago - arguably bigger than NU’s. But the local papers/TV stations don’t cover Iowa….they do cover Northwestern).
by Chadnudj on
Dec 1, 2008 11:48 AM CST
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…and gets extensive coverage by all of the Chicago media?
I think this might be overstating the case. Yes Northwestern garners more media coverage in Chicago than Iowa, and probably more than any other team in the Big 10 except for Illinois, but extensive is pushing it. If you were talking about the coverage of an awful Notre Dame team in Chicago, then you could probably call it extensive (which is noticeably more than Northwestern).
by Estrada on
Dec 1, 2008 3:58 PM CST
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Hey. Chad. Good to see you.
No Big Ten team that I can recall or research — including Iowa — has EVER jumped over a team with a better overall record that BEAT it head-to-head during the season.
I believe you’re correct on this one (and only one) point, which will only make it all the more entertaining when history is made this year.
Hell, I can get you a toe by 3 o'clock this afternoon....
by Hayden Fry's Moustache Ride on
Dec 2, 2008 2:48 PM CST
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Lake the Post
and his readers are pre-booking to San Antonio. Sorry to burst your bubble.
by txhawkeye on
Dec 3, 2008 8:47 AM CST
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