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Pollsh*t: Why Preseason Rankings Are Dangerous

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A blind electorate is a recipe for disaster.

With today's release of the 2009 Preseason Coaches' Poll, comes an inevitable flood of hype, frustration, and speculation.  In a sport enslaved by the subjective machinery of a weekly popularity contest, the preseason poll doesn't just mean bragging rights for the teams at the top: it means an inside track to the national championship.

Hence you've got to field good if you're a Penn State fan.  A No. 8 ranking -- based largely on positive vibes from last year's 11-2 campaign -- is prime real estate (compared with last year's 22nd start).  A non-fat cakewalk of a schedule means that the Lions can run the table.  If they do, they're almost guaranteed a spot in the Game.  

Since preseason rankings matter so very much, let's take a minute to evaluate what goes into them.  The way I see it there are both subjective and objective bases of justification.  For example, Team A returns a certain number of starters on an offense and defense that ranked on a certain numerical level nationally.  These are objective facts.  Team A won a number of games in 2008.  More objectivity.  If Team B returns less starters, on a less prolific offense and defense, and won less games in 2008 it should be ranked behind Team A.  Simple enough.

But, what happens when Team A returns less starters from a better offense than Team B, or Team B won less games but returns more starters than Team A? 

Coaches face objective dilemmas that force them to make subjective decisions.  How do they work it out?

First and foremost, they ask which objective facts matter most.  Then, they turn to a number of soft factors:  Has the team struggled with behavioral issues in the offseason?  Does the team have a new coach?  A new defensive scheme?  Starpower?

Eventually they'll come to a tiebreaker, put one of the teams ahead of the other, and move onto the next dilemma.

Clearly, there's a broad constellation of factors that affect a ranker's thought process.  But before I give coaches too much credit, let's make one thing perfectly clear: FBS Coaches pay about as much attention to their preseason ballots as your remarried Aunt pays to her ex-husband.  Their priority is the start of the season, not the toast of the town.

Accordingly, on the whole coaches do two things: 1. They maintain the status quo (e.g. Florida was good last year, they'll be good this year), and 2. They hand their responsibility off to their program directors with general instructions.  (If you don't think this is significant you obviously didn't pay attention to SEC media days).

The result is we're bound by half-assed metrics and uninspired judgments.

Take, for example, Southern California.  They're No. 4, despite returning just one elite defender (Taylor Mays) and starting a virgin signal caller.  Still, it's no surprise.  Why?  Last year's defense might have been the best the sport has ever seen, they've won at least 11 games the past five seasons, and each time they've been asked to re-load they have.

USC could very well be this year's national champion.  They could just as easily be a three or (blasphemy!) four loss team.  Whichever they are, they'll benefit from their lofty preseason ranking. The same goes for Ohio State.

Meanwhile, other developing teams like Iowa, and Oregon State could miss out on the chance for an at-large BCS bid, because of their comparably low placement.

What am I getting at?  It's simple.  Polls released before a single player takes the field do more harm that good. 

We should wait until the end of September, when there's two to three weeks of performance to evaluate, and then break out the brackets.

Anything sooner is dangerous guesswork.

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I've always wondered

if there is a conscious decision by the coaches (err…assistants, ADs, grad students) who fill out the ballets to do so in a way that most helps their team. For example, Urban Meyer’s secretary fills it out ranking Georgia higher than logic would dictate, or the sweatervest ranks USC #1 since Ohio State will be playing them, and having higher ranked opponents ultimately is a benefit for your own team.
There’s a limit to how far this can go, obviously, but if all of the SEC coaches (again, for example), vote each others teams towards the top of the curve, it would pay off in strength of schedule at the end of the year.

It never gets to be easy

by chitownhawkeye on Aug 7, 2009 5:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

My belief...

Has always been that the problem with the BCS isn’t the system itself, but the concept of the preseason poll…or the in-season poll. Say you are the #20 team in the nation in Week 1 and you play the #5 team…and beat them. Next week, they are the #18 team and you are the #12 team in the country. So…did you just beat the #5 team in the country or the #18 team in the country? Most voters believe that the polls are a weekly phenomenon. If that is the case, shouldn’t the 1 and only poll never come out until the last regular season game is played? If not, why not? Until preseason and in-season polls cease, you will always have some sort of debate. Even if there is a playoff….that, by the way, will also be determined by rankings

by jvp123 on Aug 7, 2009 6:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You hit the nail on the head

Why did Alabama shoot up the rankings so quickly last year? Because they beat “#9” Clemson and “#3” Georgia early in the season, then later “#16” LSU. Clemson, of course ended up 7-5, Georgia a respectable (but definitely not #3) 9-3, and LSU (overrated themselves at that point because they beat “#10” 5-7 Auburn) 7-5 (before the bowls). In fact, coming into the SEC title game Alabama’s strength of schedule was nearly identical to that of Utah, and the computers (Bonehead Billingsley aside) could hardly distinguish between the two (one even had Utah ahead!).

The problem is that voters don’t seem to re-evaluate prior results as more data comes in. Beat the preseason #2 team? You’re going to get a huge boost, and should it later turn out that said preseason #2 team was an absolute fraud, you’ll never get punished for it in the polls. Beat someone who’s supposed to be awful, you won’t get much credit even if that team later shoots up the polls.

I see no problem with doing weekly polls if the voters are willing to scrap everything and start afresh each week, revise their opinions of how impressive an early-season win was and so on. The Blogpoll voters (at least, those whose blogs I read) seem to do pretty well at this. The AP and coaches, on the other hand, have too much inertia in their votes.

by SpartanDan on Aug 7, 2009 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That'd be nice

I just don’t believe that the talking head sportswriters have enough discipline to do that. And the coaches…well, there is exactly zero chance that they would be willing or able to do it.

Which is too bad, because the current system is whacked. What I’d love to do, while I’m living in fantasy land, is replace the coaches poll with the blogpoll.

It never gets to be easy

by chitownhawkeye on Aug 9, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

#23

Personally, I think ND places just right.

by DomaLawya on Aug 7, 2009 7:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nah

They’re still largely the same team that lost to my Greg Robinson-coached Orange on their home field last year. No one who does that should be ranked in the preseason the next year, under any circumstances. For the same reason, anybody who loses to Michigan in a non-shootout this year (i.e. GRob’s defense actually stopped them) should not be ranked in the 2010 preseason.

by drothgery on Aug 7, 2009 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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