Two for the Road: Fry vs. Ferentz
In the course of six months in 1998 and 1999, then-athletic director Bob Bowlsby completely reshaped the Iowa sports landscape. Hayden Fry retired at the end of the 1998 season after the best 20 year period in Iowa football history. Dr. Tom Davis was forced out as head coach of the men's basketball team. Bowlsby made two hires that were met with two very different reactions.

Fry and Ferentz in 1998.
For football, he hired Kirk Ferentz, the offensive line coach of the Baltimore Ravens. He was an assistant under Hayden, but hardly the fan's choice. We hoped that the hot young coordinator of the year would be coming to Iowa. After all, Bob Stoops, the head of the dominating Florida defense, played at Iowa and got his first coaching experience under Fry. We were furious when we learned that Stoops was never offered the job. He went to Oklahoma. Iowa got Ferentz instead. For basketball, Bowlsby went out and hired the hot young mid-major coach of the year - Steve Alford.
I was at a party that Spring when a classmate of mine discussed how Iowa would likely become a basketball school. After all, Alford couldn't miss and Ferentz...well, we didn't get Stoops, the guy we needed. I agreed with him. It's been 11 years since that party. Alford exploded: first in the good way and then in the bad. No one bothers to compare him to Dr. Tom Davis. The comparison only makes Hawkeyes sad. Ferentz kept an even keel and has led Iowa to a pair of Big Ten titles and a pair of BCS bowl games. But how does he stack up against his predecessor? Have we reached a point where we can say that Fry has been passed by Ferentz? Let's break it down.
1. Overall Record at Iowa
Fry: 143-89-6 (.613) over 20 seasons
Ferentz: 81-55 (.596) over 11 seasons
The 1-10 season that started the Ferentz era drags his numbers down more than any one season of Fry's. Obviously, all of the counting stats should favor Fry. The better winning percentage also puts this in his favor.
2. Big Ten Record at Iowa
Fry: 98-61-5 (.616) over 20 seasons
Ferentz: 49-39 (.557) over 11 seasons
I did not anticipate there to be this wide of a gap here. Fry performed much better in league games than Ferentz has. Notice that Fry has a better winning percentage in the league than he did overall. Part of this is attributable to the more aggressive scheduling that occurred when he coached (In 1992, the Hawkeyes played Miami, Colorado, NC State (combined record 29-6-2) and Iowa State in the non-conference. It will be a cold day in hell when Iowa plays 4 BCS teams in the non-conference now.) However, I contend that the gap between the top and bottom of the Big Ten is much, much narrower now than it was in the 1980s. Throughout that decade, Northwestern never won 3 conference games in a season and never beat a conference team that finished with a winning record. Wisconsin and Minnesota were down the entire decade (Bucky moreso than Goldy). Purdue had two winning seasons. Penn State was an independent. Illinois and Michigan State each won the league once, but also had some bad seasons mixed in. The league wasn't quite the Big Two and Little 8 that it had been throughout the 1970s, but it wasn't that far removed from it. Playing the bottom half of the league in any given year was easier than most of the non-conference games that Fry scheduled.
Does that explain away the entire gap? I don't think so. To put it another way, for Ferentz to have a better Big Ten winning percentage than Fry, he'll need to win his next 14 consecutive Big Ten games.
3. Big Ten Championships
Fry: 1981, 1985, 1990
Ferentz: 2002, 2004
I'm not separating outright championships from co-championships. I can't justify saying the 7-1 conference performance of the 1985 team, which won the only outright championship of the five listed above, was superior to the 8-0 conference performance of the 2002 team. For that same reason, I'm not giving credit to Hayden for making the Rose Bowl while Ferentz has not. Again, was the 6-2 1990 performance superior to the 7-1 2004 performance? No. The only difference was how the tiebreakers fell.
As it stands, Fry won three championships, all within his first 12 years at Iowa. Ferentz has two championships over 11 seasons. A league title in 2010 would even this count. As it is, it's a slight edge to Fry.
4. Biggest Regular Season Win
Fry: 1985 over undefeated #2 Michigan
Ferentz: 2008 over undefeated #4 Penn State
We're all winners here (even though Hayden's was a bigger game).
5. Wins Against Members of the AP Final Poll Top 10
Fry: 1983-#9 Ohio State, 1985-#2 Michigan, 1990-#7 Michigan, 1996-#7 Penn State
Ferentz: 2002-#9 Michigan, 2003-#10 Miami (OH), 2008-#8 Penn State, 2009-#9 Penn State
I'm not counting wins over teams that were Top 10 at the time. Teams get overrated. Let's look at the finish. To make this list, Iowa had be one of only one or two teams that was able to win against a dominant team. Here, the edge goes to Ferentz. Through 11 seasons, Fry only had two of these wins. Ferentz has doubled that and has tied Fry's Iowa total.
6. Bowl Record
Fry: 6-7-1 (0-3 in BCS level bowls)
Ferentz: 5-3 (1-1 in BCS bowls)
7. Biggest Bowl Win
Fry: post-1984 Freedom Bowl (over 7-4-1 Texas)
Ferentz: post-2009 Orange Bowl (over 10-3 Georgia Tech)
And here sit the best arguments for why Ferentz belongs above Fry among Iowa coaches. Let's look at Hayden's bowl wins. Hayden has two wins over WAC (now Mountain West) champions in the Holiday Bowl. The other four wins came against BCS league teams who each finished with 7 wins. Not one team that Fry defeated in a bowl game ended up ranked. It's hard to write this, but when Hayden went against elite level opponents in bowl games, he lost. Yes, three of Fry's best teams were forced to go to Holiday Bowls and face WAC Champions instead of getting to face top teams from other conferences. But Hayden had three Rose Bowls, and was favored in two of them. He didn't win any of them.
Not only is the Orange Bowl victory better than any win that Hayden had, I'd argue that Ferentz's post-2004 Capital One Bowl victory over LSU was bigger than any bowl win that Fry had. I'd also argue that the post-2003 Outback Bowl win over Florida was bigger than any bowl win that Fry had. The wins over Texas Tech and South Carolina are on a par with the average Fry bowl win.
This is a huge advantage for Ferentz.
8. Top 10 Finishes
Fry: 1985-#10, 1991-#10
Ferentz: 2002-#8, 2003-#8, 2004-#8, 2009-#7
9. Top 25 Finishes (the list was only 20 through 1988)
Fry: 1981-#18, 1983-#14, 1984-#16, 1986-#16, 1987-#16, 1990-#18, 1995-#25, 1996-#18
Ferentz: 2008-#20
Obviously, the Top 10 finishes are huge for Ferentz. The Top 20 finishes are interesting. While I can't find the "Other Receiving Votes" for the 1982 poll, I suspect that 8-4 Iowa, coming off a Peach Bowl victory over Tennessee would have finished in the 21-25 range. Assuming that as true, Hayden finished with 10 Top 25 seasons in his 20 years at Iowa. Ferentz has had five ranked seasons in his 11 years at Iowa. In other words, Ferentz is on the Fry pace for total rankings. But, the Top 10s vs. Top 25s put the edge here to Ferentz.
10. Building Job
When Hayden Fry was hired before the 1979 season, Iowa hadn't had a winning season since the 1961 squad managed to go 5-4. It had been 21 seasons since Iowa was in a bowl game. The facilities were non-existent. Any tradition (in the positive sense of that word) was forgotten. The conference had been subject to the death grip of the dual evil empires known as Bo and Woody. In his third year, Iowa stunned Nebraska and became the most unlikely of conference champions. I'm going to write about this more throughout the offseason, but what Hayden Fry accomplished (I say without hyperbole) was one of the most remarkable turn-arounds in college football history.
When Kirk Ferentz arrived at Iowa after the 1998 season, the cupboard was bare. Poor recruiting in Fry's last seasons had left few Big Ten caliber athletes on hand. However, Iowa had been in a bowl game after the 1997 season, had won a bowl game after the 1996 season, and had won the conference eight years earlier. Yes, there was much work to be done. However, the blueprint had been established. Hell, Ferentz was on Fry's staffs when he drafted the blueprint. I do not, in any way, mean to diminish the challenges that Ferentz faced when he started, but they pale in comparison to the mountain that Fry had to climb. This is an advantage Fry.
The Rivalry Notes
I'll be honest. This is a lot closer than I thought it would be. It looks to me like Ferentz hasn't caught Fry. Yet. And that's the hopeful word. What would it take for Ferentz to overtake Hayden? If Iowa wins the Big Ten, wins another big bowl game, and finishes in the Top 10, I think that Ferentz will pass Hayden Fry. It'll likely happen withing the next decade; it may all happen next year. And that will make Kirk Ferentz the greatest coach in Iowa history, right?
Wrong.
That will put Kirk in third place*, behind the two men pictured below.
Forest Evashevski, who led the Hawkeyes to three Big Ten championships, two Rose Bowl wins, and victories in 65% of their games from 1952-1960.

And Howard Jones, who led Iowa to two Big Ten titles, back-to-back undefeated seasons (1921-22), and victories in 70% of their games during his eight year tenure in Iowa City. Actually, if you couple his performance at Iowa with his national championships won at Yale and Southern Cal, you can make the case that Howard Jones is one of the most criminally overlooked coaches in the history of college football. For that, I guess no one, no one, no one ever is to blame.
*If I told you we were trying to determine the third greatest coach in a school's history, you never would have read this whole thing.
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Top Ten wins.
You can add Miami(OH) 2003 to the Ferentz list. I think they finished 10th, with their only loss coming at Iowa.
I think eventually Ferentz will surpass Fry. Iowa has been so much more consistent under Ferentz, if he sticks around another 9 years, this comparision will lean the other way.
by Assault & Slattery on Jan 12, 2010 12:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Edited
Thank you for that catch.
Both Ferentz and Fry had peaks and valleys. Fry’s valleys (record wise) were deeper, but part of that is some of the ridiculous non-con schedules that teams played in the ’80s and early ’90s.
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by Bama Hawkeye on Jan 12, 2010 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Poll Voting
I think during Fry’s tenure, the voting was more balanced on actual game play and voted on by real writers who would actually watch games and coaches that would actually take the time to look at the rundown of the weekends games.
In today’s game there is more influence by networks, tWWL, CBS, FOX, and they have so many votes in the polls anymore that they can skew the results to match whatever they feel and we all know that the coaches hardly ever do their own ballot anymore.
Hayden layed the foundation and built the first stories to revive the program, Kirk will finish the construction and take us to the top.
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by BStylin Hawkye on Jan 12, 2010 2:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Man
Kirk has really aged since he showed up at Iowa again to coach. He probably can thank his sons for that. Brian almost dying when I was a freshmen, followed by James getting two drinking tickets (in the midst of an abhorrent streak of criminal behavior by the football team). Then you add in the death of his father, I can see how he’s aged as much as he has.
They took the bar, the whole fucking bar!
by recoveringfratguy on Jan 12, 2010 3:23 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It's also been 11 years
And he is at the stage of life where age really begins to show.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on Jan 12, 2010 5:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You bring me somebody
who hasn’t aged over the past 11 years, and I’ll punch Ryan Seacrest in the face.
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by Bama Hawkeye on Jan 13, 2010 12:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Punch him anyway.
Just cause it will feel good.
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by BStylin Hawkye on Jan 13, 2010 1:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts exactly
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on Jan 13, 2010 2:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That was my thought too
Although maybe it’s not even that he’s aged. He looked young there.
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Jan 12, 2010 5:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would love to look as good as Ferentz
when I am his age.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
by StoopsMyAss on Jan 13, 2010 12:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My wife
Reminds me just how attractive KF is every time he is on television. Thanks honey…
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by The Bacon Explosion on Jan 13, 2010 12:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think next season will tell us who is the better coach
If Iowa wins another B10 title and another BCS game than Ferentz will get the nod for another 3 year run comparable to 2002 to 2004. The sustained runs that Ferentz has strung and is in the process of stringing together is something that Fry was unable to do. Therefore NEXT YEAR IS THE MOST IMPORTANT YEAR OF HAWKEYE FOOTBALL EVER. Until 2011 of course.
I scored more in college than JR Angle
by spudhawk on Jan 12, 2010 4:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This is an excellent analysis
I was a student in 1981 when Fry had his breakthrough season. I can tell you that NO ONE in Iowa City, let alone nationally, thought Iowa would amount to a hill of beans.
I will never, ever forget when Roger Craig (Iowan who got away) returned to the state in Kinnick with Nebraska in game #1 that season and his Cornhuskers lost to Iowa. That Nebraska team would go on to play and lose to Clemson in the Orange Bowl for the de facto National Championship.
Side note: Iowa played Nebraska the year before and lost 57-0. Talk about a turnaround.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
by StoopsMyAss on Jan 13, 2010 12:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I still have to go with Fry
I think KF will eventually overtake Fry on victories, both small and large, but what Fry did was impressive. He built the program as it was discussed above.
The thinking here is Fry’s personality was larger than life which was required at that time. We needed something to counter the MI/OSU coverage, and he was a walking quote machine, “Sun don’t shine on the same dogs rump every day,” calling O-linemen “the big uglys” to list a few – and of course the mustache/sunglasses. Nothing better than to see Hayden on the sidelines with his hat, mustache, white pants and sunglasses – for a night game.
KF doesn’t have that personality, nor does he need it now but what Hayden meant to the program can’t be understated.
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by The Bacon Explosion on Jan 13, 2010 12:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
As far as basketball
We needed Raveling to recruit and Dr. Tom to coach, unfreakin’ stoppable.
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by The Bacon Explosion on Jan 13, 2010 12:35 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Tark
chuckles at that thought…
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by Bama Hawkeye on Jan 13, 2010 12:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You think Dr. Tom
lost that game? That final inbounds play to win the game was a perfect call but Lohaus went to the wrong side of the hoop. Otherwise, we win. Yeah, we had a big lead but UNLV was tough.
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by StoopsMyAss on Jan 13, 2010 3:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Uneven comparison
It would be interesting if you compared Ferentz presently against Fry after 11 seasons, rather than after the full 20 seasons. Was the first half of Fry’s tenure at Iowa more or less impressive than Ferentz’s current results? Then you could extrapolate Ferentz’s results, using Fry’s 20-year record as a yardstick. Because the way I see it, Ferentz could very easily surpass Fry’s percentages and number of big wins were he to remain at Iowa for another nine years (oh how I wish this could happen).
by Omahawkeye on Jan 13, 2010 6:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
In Fry's 13th season he had
one of his best teams, and they underachieved. From that season forward he had talent in some years but averaged about 7 wins and went to 4 middling bowls, winning 2. It appears to me that Ferentz has the potential to really make up ground in terms of wins and prestigious bowl appearances.
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by StoopsMyAss on Jan 13, 2010 9:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
It occurs to me
And I know I’m going to be struck down for this, despite the fact that I still regard Hayden as a football god.
Hayden was style over substance.
He used that psyche degree to the max. He hokey pokeyed. He screwed with other coaches with the pink locker room. He had the pants, hat and sunglasses. He was eccentric, and while he knew what he was doing as a coach, he really knew what he was doing as a focal point. He was a fantastic motivator and was exactly what we needed in a coach, someone who could bring excitement to the fans as well as the team.
None of this means Ferentz is currently a better coach, comparing their histories. But I think it does mean that over the long run, KF, a man who is truly substance over style, will have the a more impressive record in the long run, all things being equal
It never gets to be easy
by chitownhawkeye on Jan 14, 2010 7:21 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Fry was style over substance
Because he HAD to be. At the time, Iowa football was an after thought. And deservedly so. Fry took Iowa to a place it hadn’t been in for 25 years, and he did so immediately. In doing so, he also transformed the Big 10. It is interesting to note that until Fry took Iowa to the Rose Bowl in 1981, not only had the 70s been the Big Two and little eight, but no team since Indiana in ’68(?) outside of OSU or Michigan had been to the Rose bowl. Fry changed that, and suddenly everyone in teh Big Ten believed they could win it all – and many did. the sea change in the conference that Fry ushered in was unprecendented.
None of this is to say that I think Fry is necessarily greater than Ferentz. I’m not sure where I fall on this argument other than to say that I am ecstatic that they’ve been, effectively, the only two coaches of Iowa in my lifetime and we are blessed to have had them both.
I ate the blue ones ... they taste like burning.
by HoyaGoon on Jan 15, 2010 1:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Fry, because
Fry had a completely bare cupboard when he came to Iowa. Iowa was a football wasteland and he got them up to #1 in 1985 with Chuck Long. That’s just stunning. Ferentz has definitely built on the success that Fry started, and he’s a very good coach, but I wonder if Ferentz could have built the foundation that Fry did. Ferentz has kept Iowa on the map, but Fry put them there.
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